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Old 30-04-2013, 09:24 AM
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Re: Hooking girls in Indonesia instead of cheonging

well said seaj and truly speaks volume and experience.
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Re: Hooking girls in Indonesia instead of cheonging

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Love it, really love all your writing and straight approach to life and relationships.
Thanks bro...our mindsets are more similar than you think...

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But like you said, every one of us have our own particular needs and preferences and whilst I had always "done alright" picking up women and do enjoy the flings -whether paid for or played for, I always screw up by really falling for some girl or another. OUCH!!

You probably are laughing your ass off and saying that this is just an avoidable hazard of the game we play if one is careful - but I usually fall willingly into this trap!
There's nothing wrong with that bro...

Why do you think I hook instead of just paying for straight up sex???

It's the GFE...the feeling of falling in love....and when I am with them...I have a girlfriend...not just for one hour or two hours...but for the duration...5 days...a week...2 weeks...


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Oh, I really got no right to have long term serious relationships with these girls - me being married and all - but I have had longer term relationships all through my life. Shame on me!! LOL!
There is no such thing bro...

I know you may not agree...but the way I see it...marriage is purely about responsibilities...and as long as you are providing for your wife and fulfil you duties as a husband...a little ECA is fine...

Some people like to spend their free time playing golf...some like to sit all day at a mahjong table...some prefer to be in a casino...and some like to spend it with other people; sexually or otherwise...

The only time I think it's a problem is when a wife wants sex and the husband refuses to provide when he is screwing around outside...same goes for the duty of a wife...

Nothing in any vow spells out that a person cannot fall in love with another person...as long as the spouse is still loved...I believe it's an American thing about this cheating business...(many of our grand fathers had 2-3-4 wives...no problems for them...)
Some may say it is implied...sorry...implied is not binding because of different interpretations...

So yeah bro...I see nothing wrong there...


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You see, besides just the actual physical act coupled with short term intimacies - my biggest joy is all the bells and jingles and light and air of a full blown romance. All the little things that makes my heart soar, makes every day worth waking up to - as I will be seeing "her" again.

There's no fool like and old fool - but that has been my Achilles' heel all my life. I love the deep intimacy, taking the time to make love whilst chatting, being inside of her whilst just gazing at her beauty or kissing her deeply, smelling her fragrance whilst slowly exploring every part of her body...and most times would spend literally hours just doing all this.

But the worst part of all this is of course the eventual break-up; break up which is inevitable given my circumstances and that my girls eventually do need to move on and make their own lives. But what joy, what happiness I had when IN LOVE!!
Yes bro...discussed above...

And why do you think I fly all over the shop? A week in China...6 days in Bangkok...2 weeks in Jakarta...8 days in Melbourne...
Do I just have an addiction for frequent flyer miles??

No bro...there are where my 'GFs' are...so...I spend my time off traveling...and I love being able to be with them...(for the duration...)

There is nothing like it...feeling like a teenager in love again...each time I meet one of them after a brief absence...it's like honeymoon all over again...the love feels stronger...the see always better...

And yes bro...sad but par for the course...break ups are inevitable...whether married or not...any relationship of a couple being together for too long will get stale...some people modify their relationship to enjoy the stability...some like the status of being married / attached...some stay for the comfort off having someone there...and the very lucky few who may really stay in love for life...
But for the purists among the less fortunate...those of us who enjoy the feeling of falling in love...bring in love...missing and thinking of another person...we have no choice but to start over and over...which also means breaking up over and over again...

Such is life bro...but I think the heartbreak is worth it...after all, each heartbreak comes from an end of many months of a relationship...dang bro...I'd feel it for the passing of a friend...I'd feel it for losing a pet...I'd feel it for selling my car...so I will certainly bear it for the ending of a love...

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Say for example, my last one lasted 4 years and for the first 3 years, it was like we both were on our honeymoon - never quarreling - not even once for these first 3 years, and always just so close, so intimate, so happy. Sigh.... I miss that so much!!
Hahaha...bro..I believe you stretch it a bit too far...and the fourth year was less...Errrm...stimulating??

Personally...I go for 2-2.5 years...have stretched a few to 3 years, but usually, those do not end as well...something happens to us with time...one or both partners become unstable and impatient which will affect the love...now, I do not wait for things to go sour...around the 2 year mark is when a heart to heart talk is required...if both are ok...schedule another heart to heart every 4-6 months hence...like a servicing...and if things are not well...part on logical terms and there is a good chance to remain friends...lessen the heartbreak a little bit too...


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So.... what am I saying? Actually perhaps nothing - but yet, it IS something for those of you contemplating practicing Wizrd's methods; it WORKS for him - yes it does - but the rest of you guys, please do be very careful, as each person is unique, each relationship different and you must also be cognizant of what the results could be.

Just a Li'l heads up

SEAJ
Exactly right bro...if we cannot abort when we should...cannot separate short term love from life long fantasy love...cannot prevent love from interfering with our established life...cannot accept that fair is fair and she may also be fucking around...then...we have no business living this lifestyle...just pay for a sugar baby and save yourself a lot of unnecessary grief...

Thanks bro...wisdom is always worth sharing...



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well said seaj and truly speaks volume and experience.
Absolutely bro...

Bro SEAJ certainly knows what he is talking about...

Cheers bro...


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Re: Hooking girls in Indonesia instead of cheonging

Hi bro wizrd,
So you are in Jakarta for two week, must be giving seminar.....
Me will be your first student....

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Thanks bro...our mindsets are more similar than you think...



There's nothing wrong with that bro...

Why do you think I hook instead of just paying for straight up sex???

It's the GFE...the feeling of falling in love....and when I am with them...I have a girlfriend...not just for one hour or two hours...but for the duration...5 days...a week...2 weeks...





There is no such thing bro...

I know you may not agree...but the way I see it...marriage is purely about responsibilities...and as long as you are providing for your wife and fulfil you duties as a husband...a little ECA is fine...

Some people like to spend their free time playing golf...some like to sit all day at a mahjong table...some prefer to be in a casino...and some like to spend it with other people; sexually or otherwise...

The only time I think it's a problem is when a wife wants sex and the husband refuses to provide when he is screwing around outside...same goes for the duty of a wife...

Nothing in any vow spells out that a person cannot fall in love with another person...as long as the spouse is still loved...I believe it's an American thing about this cheating business...(many of our grand fathers had 2-3-4 wives...no problems for them...)
Some may say it is implied...sorry...implied is not binding because of different interpretations...

So yeah bro...I see nothing wrong there...




Yes bro...discussed above...

And why do you think I fly all over the shop? A week in China...6 days in Bangkok...2 weeks in Jakarta...8 days in Melbourne...
Do I just have an addiction for frequent flyer miles??

No bro...there are where my 'GFs' are...so...I spend my time off traveling...and I love being able to be with them...(for the duration...)

There is nothing like it...feeling like a teenager in love again...each time I meet one of them after a brief absence...it's like honeymoon all over again...the love feels stronger...the see always better...

And yes bro...sad but par for the course...break ups are inevitable...whether married or not...any relationship of a couple being together for too long will get stale...some people modify their relationship to enjoy the stability...some like the status of being married / attached...some stay for the comfort off having someone there...and the very lucky few who may really stay in love for life...
But for the purists among the less fortunate...those of us who enjoy the feeling of falling in love...bring in love...missing and thinking of another person...we have no choice but to start over and over...which also means breaking up over and over again...

Such is life bro...but I think the heartbreak is worth it...after all, each heartbreak comes from an end of many months of a relationship...dang bro...I'd feel it for the passing of a friend...I'd feel it for losing a pet...I'd feel it for selling my car...so I will certainly bear it for the ending of a love...

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Hahaha...bro..I believe you stretch it a bit too far...and the fourth year was less...Errrm...stimulating??

Personally...I go for 2-2.5 years...have stretched a few to 3 years, but usually, those do not end as well...something happens to us with time...one or both partners become unstable and impatient which will affect the love...now, I do not wait for things to go sour...around the 2 year mark is when a heart to heart talk is required...if both are ok...schedule another heart to heart every 4-6 months hence...like a servicing...and if things are not well...part on logical terms and there is a good chance to remain friends...lessen the heartbreak a little bit too...




Exactly right bro...if we cannot abort when we should...cannot separate short term love from life long fantasy love...cannot prevent love from interfering with our established life...cannot accept that fair is fair and she may also be fucking around...then...we have no business living this lifestyle...just pay for a sugar baby and save yourself a lot of unnecessary grief...

Thanks bro...wisdom is always worth sharing...





Absolutely bro...

Bro SEAJ certainly knows what he is talking about...

Cheers bro...


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Re: Hooking girls in Indonesia instead of cheonging

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Next...let's tackle your elementary error...Facebook...that will fuck you up every which way imaginable....she now knows what you do (or did...and...going to do...), who you are friends with...your life and time patterns and habits...where and what you plan to be or do in the near future...most of your favourite things...plus...you have given her a way to make friends with your friends...worlds will collide bro...
Haha. Got bored and read this.. I don't understand why guys would add a girl to Facebook in a scenario where it's not necessary. If you wanna date a girl and you let her add you to Facebook you remove so much of the mystery. She can decide whether or not she likes you based on your Facebook profile.

Unless your Facebook profile is more personable and likable than you are in person then I don't see why this is a good scenario.

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While I never closed this Indonesian.. I did exchange a few text messages with a waitress by leaving a simple note on the back of a receipt we paid:
Hi <Name>,

My friend and I think you're cute and we were wondering if you want to meet up for drinks.

Text me <number>

~Calm

(P.S. Heading back to <country> in 2 days.)
Worked just fine to get a response from the girl but she was working so no threesome was had

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Another thing to consider about Indonesia (not sure if it's been raised here) is that Indonesia has some fairly strong racial segregation between the Indonesian-Chinese and the Indonesian-Indonesians. I'm from a country without any racial prejudice but most of the Indo-Chinese will not date Indo-Indos so the Indo-Indo girls are generally very happy when an Indo-Chinese shows interest.

Also, where I'm from being a skinny/pale Asian is not really a benefit. In Jakarta they kept joking I was a K-Pop star
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Another thing to consider about Indonesia (not sure if it's been raised here) is that Indonesia has some fairly strong racial segregation between the Indonesian-Chinese and the Indonesian-Indonesians. I'm from a country without any racial prejudice but most of the Indo-Chinese will not date Indo-Indos so the Indo-Indo girls are generally very happy when an Indo-Chinese shows interest.

Also, where I'm from being a skinny/pale Asian is not really a benefit. In Jakarta they kept joking I was a K-Pop star
well... regarding your comment about the racism between Indo-chinese and Indo-indo, I don't see such things happening between the rich.

but i do see a bit of this gap between the rich and middle income. The gap is even bigger when its at the poor.

and being complimented as a popstar does has its benefits and advantages, especially in cities like Jakarta, KL, Bangkok, whereby the income gap is very, very big...
if the people there thinks that you are a popstar or celebrity or you're rich... generally they will treat you better, nicer etc

same goes for the girls...more approachable, more open


and that indo girl... any further development??!!
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Hi bro wizrd,
So you are in Jakarta for two week, must be giving seminar.....
Me will be your first student....

My humble two cents.

Thanks bro....hahahaha...

Not yet..seminar maybe next year...hahaha...

This trip only in Jakarta for 3 days... ...duty calls elsewhere...

Take it easy bro...


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Re: Hooking girls in Indonesia instead of cheonging

.

Thanks for joining in bro...putting your very first post in SBF in this thread...very honoured indeed...

Hope you don't take offence that I'll debrief and give some points on your comments...


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[FONT="Century Gothic"]Haha. Got bored and read this.. I don't understand why guys would add a girl to Facebook in a scenario where it's not necessary. If you wanna date a girl and you let her add you to Facebook you remove so much of the mystery. She can decide whether or not she likes you based on your Facebook profile.

Unless your Facebook profile is more personable and likable than you are in person then I don't see why this is a good scenario.

Exactly...most bros think they can confirm a girl on Facebook before a trip and that in itself is not wrong...but they seldom think of the consequence...even if she turns out to be uglier than a pile of vomit, all your information has been given out already...

Maybe it is just my own style...but since I am reasonably confident that I can hook a woman ...face to face...within a day or two...I prefer to see the merchandise before given out free info...

They also forget that if I can put Brad pitt's photo as my Facebook profile pic (yeah...use anyone good looking but less famous...then the admin won't ask you to remove the pic...)... Women can put up local models pics too...

Methinks the WYSIWYG mode is better then judging then hoping that no photoshop was used in their profile pics...

Whatever the case...Facebook = undesirable....I cannot think of one instance where it is useful in hooking strangers who I already know I like the looks of...



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While I never closed this Indonesian.. I did exchange a few text messages with a waitress by leaving a simple note on the back of a receipt we paid:
Hi <Name>,

My friend and I think you're cute and we were wondering if you want to meet up for drinks.

Text me <number>

~Calm

(P.S. Heading back to <country> in 2 days.)
Worked just fine to get a response from the girl but she was working so no threesome was had

Well done bro...for being proactive...

However...

1) service stafF are never good idea as hook targets...for one, they work 10-16 hours a day...won't have the time to entertain strangers...plus likely they would have had their time off planned...

Secondly...if you do hook her, you have lost that shop (mall, hotel, restaurant) as possible hang out...other staff and customers will be informed about you and you can't hook there ever again...for a small sushi shop type maybe ok...but then refer to part one above...

Thirdly, they have to be nice / pleasant to you...so you can never tell if they are into you...which kills the qualifying process...


2) leaving them a note will fail 95% of the time...unless you really look like one specific k pop idol...why?

You have lost the element of pressure...there is no pressure to agree or accept whatever you suggest...they have time to check with their friends and if her friends start making fun of her or you...it will not be worth the trouble to hook up with you...

Secondly...you have lost the huge advantage of their politeness...even if a woman is uncertain, they might agree to go out with you if you push the right buttons...if asked on a note...text is cheap...maybe she was hoping that you will reply that you are happy to pay her 3-5 juta for her time...but if the correct offer doesn't come...she will play the busy card...which she is...trying to earn that 2-3 juta for the whole month's work...

Thirdly, you have lost the mystic of an adventure...now she knows you like her that way...she can choose to play it any which way she likes (all the women in the world seem to have gone through this same lesson.... )...hard to get...ice queen...gold digger...whatever suits her...

The mystery you want to set is something along the line of...hey...very lovely handbag (earrings, blouse, skirt, bracelet...)...where did you get that? I would like to buy one for my sister...can you bring me? I will buy you dinner and buy one more for you too...please please please....

This way...she doesn't put her defences up as much...and you have the opportunity to back down gracefully (sometimes, the second or third asking can get favourable result...)...plus...you can go through your hooking process on someone not thinking that you should be wary of...


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Aother thing to consider about Indonesia (not sure if it's been raised here) is that Indonesia has some fairly strong racial segregation between the Indonesian-Chinese and the Indonesian-Indonesians. I'm from a country without any racial prejudice but most of the Indo-Chinese will not date Indo-Indos so the Indo-Indo girls are generally very happy when an Indo-Chinese shows interest.
True to some extent bro...but I have not seen the gap too openly...

My method is simple...if what you say is right...and I'm not disputing it...then being somewhat Chinese looking will grant me entrance into both worlds...

And as proven...I have hooked Indo Indo...and Indo Chinese...I like Indo Indos for their pleasant nature and almost unnatural horniness ...but I like the Indo Chinese for the tai tai feel and for being refined...either ways...love Indo women...


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Also, where I'm from being a skinny/pale Asian is not really a benefit. In Jakarta they kept joking I was a K-Pop star
Yup....good call bro...

My GFs have told me this many times...their friends will ask them about their bf...ie, me...in terms like...

Hey, how's your Korean bf? Oh, you're lucky to have a Japanese bf...

They all think I'm either Japanese or Korean....hahahaha...I don't mind...



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Re: Hooking girls in Indonesia instead of cheonging

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well... regarding your comment about the racism between Indo-chinese and Indo-indo, I don't see such things happening between the rich.

but i do see a bit of this gap between the rich and middle income. The gap is even bigger when its at the poor.

and being complimented as a popstar does has its benefits and advantages, especially in cities like Jakarta, KL, Bangkok, whereby the income gap is very, very big...
if the people there thinks that you are a popstar or celebrity or you're rich... generally they will treat you better, nicer etc

same goes for the girls...more approachable, more open

True bro...

But gaps like these exist in all developing countries...the aim is for us to be positioned correctly in the market...too atas, and you lose the bottom groups...too lowly and you lose the upper ranks...

It's a numbers game...stay in as many markets as possible...

Cheers bro...

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Re: Hooking girls in Indonesia instead of cheonging

well guys...

I'm going back to jakarta soon for business first followed by R&R... will give a FR,once.I'm back
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My method is simple...if what you say is right...and I'm not disputing it...then being somewhat Chinese looking will grant me entrance into both worlds...
Hmm. It's not so much racism but moreso that the Chinese guys are less likely to date an Indonesian girl because their families usually would prefer them to date/marry an Indonesian.

So because the Indo-Chinese usually date Indo-Chinese I think it's kinda a status thing for an Indo-Indo to be dating an Indo-Chinese?

It's good both ways being Chinese then - because most Chinese will only date Chinese (no need to worry about Indo competition) and the Indonesians will be happy to date a Chinese
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Hmm. It's not so much racism but moreso that the Chinese guys are less likely to date an Indonesian girl because their families usually would prefer them to date/marry an Indonesian.

So because the Indo-Chinese usually date Indo-Chinese I think it's kinda a status thing for an Indo-Indo to be dating an Indo-Chinese?

It's good both ways being Chinese then - because most Chinese will only date Chinese (no need to worry about Indo competition) and the Indonesians will be happy to date a Chinese
quite true. most girls in this country would be delighted to date a guy who speaks good English, treat women nice, and works in a foreign country.

the rich has this 門當戶對 mentality. must same samr then can marry or so call commerical marriage between two powerful corporations daughter and son.

and I think its very common among indo chinese, as their community is rather small and most.of them know one and anothers families...
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Re: Hooking girls in Indonesia instead of cheonging

I think it's true in Indonesia that it's very much a class-divided society. Even rich indo-indo won't usually marry an indo-chinese and vice versa.

Also, rich indo-indo usually are political/military background, indo-chinese is almost all business background. This is really something quite unique in Indonesia.
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Re: Hooking girls in Indonesia instead of cheonging

just came back from Jakarta. I think its my wildest adventure so far. I will try to post my FR tonight.

but has any of you fucked one of their local indonesian up n coming female celebrities before
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Re: Hooking girls in Indonesia instead of cheonging

here's my FR:

it started with a casual conversation after the last meeting with my client on the first day of my business trip.
my client was asking me whether I have any night activities and I replied No. And he asked whether do I club and I said yes.
He asked me have I have gone to any of the clubs in Jakarta. Definitely not I responded.
And he offered to bring me to one of the top clubs in Jakarta, X2 Club...
I agreed and he offered to pick me up at my hotel at 11pm. After which, we went for a fantastic dinner at one of the local restaurants in Jakarta, near the famous Red-top hotel in China Town. after which i went back to my apartment

10:00pm. My client messaged me to be well dressed. preferably t-shirt, pants + jacket and shoes.

Fast forward to 11:30pm. X2 Club

By the time we entered the club, it was quit packed. Music was great. Crowd was in the mood, accompanied by a couple of bottles we opened and a bunch of girls we met in the club and a few girls who were introduced by my client.

we danced. we drank. we grind.

about 2:00am. Ground floor of X2 Club
(Those who been to X2 club should know you will need to take a lift in a MSCP, as that its located above a carpark.)
I went to the ground floor for a breather. That was when I saw this girl, Anna (Fake name to protect her identity), alone and leaning against the wall having a smoke.
She was about 1.65m tall, fair-skinned for an indonesian girl. Dressed in a Deep V neck body-hugging black dress, with a pair of dark emerald colour high heels.

Since there was no one else around, I Pretended that I don't have a lighter with me, I went up to her and borrowed a lighter from her and asked if I could joined her. She agreed.
After I took a couple of puffs, she started the conversation with me, asked where i was from blah blah blah...

As the conversation went on, she started to move closer to me and our hands & fingers would occasionally bump into each other. We were beginning to stand facing each other. Every now and then, I would crack a few jokes and she would laugh shyly and hit my arms lightly with her hands.

Seeing that she was very comfortable with me I decided to Test my luck and asked the GQ.
i asked shall we wanna go somewhere else to hang out? Immediately she asked my apartment? I replied why not?
She asked me to give her a moment as she whipped out her phone and began to call a few people, speaking in Bahasa Indonesia (Which sounded alien to me)

next, we boarded a cab and reached my apartment.

23rd floor. full height glass window. unobstructed view of the Jakarta city. A sexy and wild Anna walking in front of me as I opened the door and walked in. Breath-taking and mind-blowing.

once i closed the door, she pinned me hard against the wall and we started our action.
Keeping the story short. That night, we screwed each other on the bed and against the full height glass window.

The next morning, we screwed each other once again in the bathroom. After which, I sent her off around 11am, as a black Toyota Alphard with full tinted windows, pulled up at my apartment's lobby.

Heading back to my apartment, I picked up my iphone and saw a text message from my Client:
"Hey dude! last night I heard from my friend that you left X2 with Anna... not bad yeah... She's one of the hottest up and coming female celebrity in Indonesia..."

I froze for a long while...
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